Hey Swing Nation family!
In our latest episode (released today, March 19, 2026), Dan and I had the absolute pleasure of chatting with the brilliant Katie Bogen—a doctoral candidate in clinical psychology, passionate scholar-activist with over 500K followers across platforms, and the debut author of the propulsive novel Queering Him (the first in the Avra and Kieran trilogy).
We dove deep into her new book and explored the fascinating social dynamics between traditional monogamy and the swinging/lifestyle world. Katie shares her sharp, thoughtful perspective on how cultural norms, societal expectations, and moral frameworks continue to shape (and often limit) how people view ethical non-monogamy—and how those ideas are shifting in exciting ways.
We also unpack the beautiful diversity within ENM: from swinging and open relationships to other forms of consensual non-monogamy, and how real people navigate identity, communication, boundaries, jealousy, connection, and authenticity in these spaces. It’s a conversation that challenges old assumptions, expands perspectives, and brings psychology, sociology, and lived experience together in a way that feels fresh, empathetic, and empowering.
Clocking in at about 1 hour of engaging, no-judgment real talk—this episode is perfect whether you’re deep in the lifestyle, exploring ENM for the first time, or simply curious about the broader social and psychological landscape of love, sex, and relationships today. Katie’s warmth, expertise, and activist voice make this one of those episodes that sticks with you long after it ends.
Tune in now and join us for this thoughtful, perspective-shifting discussion!
Full episode here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1832812/episodes/18859979
(Also available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and everywhere podcasts live!)
What’s one societal “rule” about relationships you’ve questioned or moved beyond in your own journey? Share your gentle, TOS-safe thoughts in the comments—we love reading them and normalizing these conversations! 👇
Huge thanks to Katie Bogen for bringing such depth and heart to the mic. Check out Queering Him if you’re ready for a scalding-hot, thought-provoking read!
Stay open, stay curious, stay connected!
Dan & Lacy
The Swing Nation 🍍
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